[Discussion Thread] State of the Game

[sweetpotatoes 9]

IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE A RUSSIAN TRANSLATION OF THIS AND POST IT IN THE RUSSIAN FORUM,HE/SHE IS WELCOME TO DO IT .

 

 

Hello . I wanted to make an extensive argument of where this game is and especially why .

 

So ,to begin with ,this is the situation : Servers open with a big bang , 2 months pass , servers die . GM Trolya said in 2016 on a forum post: "The community has changed. They want something fresh, something new every time". Firstly, that is not an MMORPG vision,that is a shooter game vision,like we're playing CS:GO . What people want from an mmorpg varies for sure ,but they surely want to play the game . Playing an mmorpg is about the commitment to it , not a quick-and-run and move forward .

 

So the state of the game is a quick-and-run shooter game and the reason for this comes from the way servers are designed . From the very beginning of the server ,the path of the playerbase is split exponentially . Let me explain (with numbers) :

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We have 4 types of playerbases on most servers : people that play very much and donate (they are called top parties) , people that don't play a lot and donate( lazy-peons,don't usually join action and boast a lot) ,people that play a lot and don't donate (second-tier parties) and obviously the ones that don't contribute that much to server health .

From the server start ,the gap between top parties and second-tier parties is huge . Server offers them free C grade gear , free shots , experience rune up till lvl 61 , 35% increased everything (i want to call this too,those numbers are wrong . How can a premium character get 47k adena from varka monsters ,while a non-premium character gets a maximum of 26k from the same monsters ?! THAT IS NOT 35% !!!!!!). So,what will happen ? The top parties will get everything possible up to a point where it's impossible for a second-tier party member to fight him. They will have faster access to epics, top gear and will monopolize the server. Then,those people will start to wither away as they say they get 'bored' of not having enemies . (Natyralu left server in 2 weeks,god bless those guys,they were good). When the top parties leave the server ,the balance is broken and people go amiss ,get scared and start looking for the new fresh experience,which will be the same exact thing,because noone is breaking the cycle of announcing some server description ,then getting donators to play A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SERVER . These types of services are not enabling the players to have an easier gameplay experience,they are making said players have an unfair, pay2win advantage which doesn't account in this game .

 

I'm going to enumerate the advantage factor that comes from such game design,from day1 to day14 :

1 hour into the server , 2 parties were lvl 55. --- 1 hour into the server,most non-donators were lvl 25ish,while soft donators were lvl 35-40.

1 day into the server , 3 parties were lvl 76+ --- 1 day into the server, non-donators maybe made it past 40(don't forget,they have to do the 3hours quest) while soft donators were 55-60.

4 days into the server , several parties got to lvl 80,geared with A grades and some S grades ---4 days into the server,nondonators were lvl 65-70 in C grade(they didn't get any C sets or free shots,so they had to make it themselves,which cost around 12kk) while soft donators , due to the increased drop/adena rates,probably had some A grades.

1 week into the server, Natyralu had full S grades on every CP member,with weapons and everything.Noone could fight them --- Nondonators were probably still in C grades and farming / spoiling some recipes,not full sets yet. Soft donators probably finished 3rd class .

2 weeks into the server,Natyralu throws an aura flash and half the server dies,they get bored and leave . The Big Clans have been fighting for epics(top parties), anyone else has no chance to get in there,they will get stronger and stronger.

 

There's also such factors as EASY (coins) clan lvl 5, CRP scrolls(COINS)--> CLAN SKILLS . Epic quests (which consume time) for 1 click (COINS). I think you get the idea. There's too much content given to players outside the game infrastructure,and it is not done smart,hence breaking the game .

 

2 months into the server: Smite leaves because they haven't been doing anything for 1 month except epics,the game gave them everything from the start and they play a lot too.

 

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What i wanted to say is that making such a game design where not everyone is equal or atleast at a linear disadvantage breaks the game . It's not fun for neither side when someone is unstoppable,because the Project gave that opportunity and did not give a counterbalance opportunity for anyone else.

There's countless examples of Projects that made it extremely BIG without breaking the balance . Have you heard of the private WoW server Nostalrius ? They did not have premium accounts,they did not give heirlooms for free ,they had a team hunting bots and not unbanning them for money . They did all that with a small team of 20 members and while donating helped the project ,they did not wrap it around donations. E-global is a big platform. You can make a difference by creating content that's balanced how Lineage2 should be :). And maybe we will get a server that lives more than 2 months.

[lmao1 1]

your wall of text won't change anything, server died just move on mate

[sweetpotatoes 9]

Please keep the discussion on-topic :) Noone asked for your opinion about how big my wall of text is .

[ShadeArgy 0]

Respect! ?Totally agree bro!

[maze_ 4]

There's countless examples of Projects that made it extremely BIG without breaking the balance . Have you heard of the private WoW server Nostalrius ? They did not have premium accounts,they did not give heirlooms for free ,they had a team hunting bots and not unbanning them for money . They did all that with a small team of 20 members and while donating helped the project ,they did not wrap it around donations. E-global is a big platform. You can make a difference by creating content that's balanced how Lineage2 should be :). And maybe we will get a server that lives more than 2 months.

 

Nostalrius team was all corrupt and they only banned players, not adena sellers. It all unveiled after one of them stole from the others, you can find most of the discord voice logs on youtube, good drama material.

[Ysera 1]

I agree completely with sweet potato. Also I want to emphasize that unbaning the bots is a very bad policy as they destroy the economy of the game.

[Shaav 5]

CS/Smite got unbanned for free from botting. Other's had to pay

 

Corruption corruption corruption. zero people got banned for RMT.

 

corruption corruption corruption

 

servers dead

 

corruption corruption

 

ic quit.

 

CU @ L2Elixir

[ShadeArgy 0]

CS/Smite got unbanned for free from botting. Other's had to pay

 

Corruption corruption corruption. zero people got banned for RMT.

 

corruption corruption corruption

 

servers dead

 

corruption corruption

 

ic quit.

 

CU @ L2Elixir

 

 

So what do you think that will happen there? Server will live for years ? ??

[Shaav 5]

This was an extremely decent server. Gm's / devs kept pushing updates as needed and fixed bugs weekly.

 

The community killed the server. If the cp's weren't so cancerous this server could of lasted until the end of the summer at least. but it didn't.

[Stormer1 1]

"What i wanted to say is that making such a game design where not everyone is equal or atleast at a linear disadvantage breaks the game . It's not fun for neither side when someone is unstoppable,because the Project gave that opportunity and did not give a counterbalance opportunity for anyone else.

 

 

Yes ,i am agree with this.

 

 

 

1.Donation`s for items,exp runes,buffs, Donations for any big advantages = server die,like most of servers in these days, this is the major problem.

 

2.This constant emails in game = is annoying (decrease server popularity).

 

3.Donations for buffs after 56 ? - this is not good idea, buffs should be available for everyone.

 

4.New players playing till 56 , then quit.

 

5.There is no effective policy for new players.

[maze_ 4]

CS/Smite got unbanned for free from botting. Other's had to pay

 

Corruption corruption corruption. zero people got banned for RMT.

 

corruption corruption corruption

 

servers dead

 

corruption corruption

 

ic quit.

 

CU @ L2Elixir

 

Guy that spent more money on RMT on this server complaining about it

 

 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

 

 

Never stop existing IC/Shaav, please.

[Shaav 5]

Never onced rmted LOL.

[Smiles 0]

it's possible to bring new people in and i'm sure lots of people who left would come back

management needs improvement that's for sure

[maze_ 4]

i do not see any GMs/Admins/Moderators taking ANY place on the discussion. The reality is...we will NEVER know the truth completely. But at least, we can logically find out parts of it.

Personally i do not think its a flaw in the design of anything, concerning what sweet potato says :). I think it is a very very well executed plan, design for the server to earn FAST ... LOADS of money :). I will not say who made me conclude the above statement . But if you think about it, it makes sense. You create a server, advertise it, ALLOW EVERYTHING (and many many more) that sweet potato said in order to have FAST EARNINGS, and then (when all the big CPs that did your job for you leave) maybe sustain the server with MINIMUM costs...maybe after a few months make a post "ohhh sorry guys...due to minimum donations the server is going offline...blah blah blah...have a nice time, sorry for the inconvenience....) then after a year maybe "new server new addons new stuff blah blah blah" (SAME SERVER WITH DIFFERENT NAME) .... NEW EARNINGS and the story goes on.

This is my opinion on what happened, IF THAT IS NOT THE CASE, some GMs/Moderators should COME UP FRONT and tell us what will happen with the server, because many players game loads of ideas, but we have NO real answer.

 

Personally, as i told to some guys online, im going to remain in the server no matter what, until they take it offline. I dont like the negativity from people who actually destroyed the server. Two days ago, some bragging idiot told me, i was in the top cps, we ruled the server blah blah blah...now selling epics for euros. They used bots (that THE SERVER allowed them to do so)... got max level, with billions of adenas/ materials... now they got bored, spread the negativity to everyone, left the server. Of course they did, that is what they do. This is their part time job... they make money from it. The rest of us should just wake up and just leave those idiots be...anywhere they want to be.

 

SORRY FOR THE LONG POST.

Online name "Catastrophy"

 

Did they change the donations after server start? No. So you knew exactly what you were going into but you still blame someone else for your own shortcomings.

 

People like you are the problem, not the CPs that stay online 24h with loop macros.

[Ysera 1]

Did they change the donations after server start? No. So you knew exactly what you were going into but you still blame someone else for your own shortcomings.

 

People like you are the problem, not the CPs that stay online 24h with loop macros.

 

Maze what you are saying ? Catastrophy said his personally opinion and he asked for gm's to intervene and tell us their story. Not only that he said that but he also said that we won't know the truth completely. So you by saying that he is the problem IS THE REAL problem. Attacking blindly on people that actually trying to do something about the server. This it self is shortcoming on communicate. I would strongly suggest to introspect on your behavior.

 

Apart from that I really believe Gm/admins should give us an answer where they thing there server going and if they will do something in the future.

 

With respect.